Let’s start with the basics: my earliest memories are of sitting on my father’s lap watching the Cleveland Browns. They are the nucleus of my sports universe. The Cleveland Indians and the Ohio State football team are very close to this core, as well. I root for them always over any team, without exception. The same is true for the Cleveland Cavaliers but I can’t put them at the same level – in fact, without a spellchecker you might not even recognize my version of the word meaning French swordsmen.
Next, regardless of sport, I root for teams from northeastern Ohio first, and then any team from Ohio over any team from someplace else. My next order of allegiance goes to the Big Ten, and then to teams from the Midwest, which I define as falling within an area bounded by Pittsburgh on the east, West Virginia on the south, Nebraska and Kansas on the west, and the Canadian border; however this area does not include Missouri or the Dakotas.
From here my allegiances become more variable, but there are some rules. I will generally root for an eastern team over a western team, and a northern team over a southern team. That said, I don’t think I’ve ever rooted for a team from New England other than the Celtics – and that was a long time ago and only because they had John Havlecheck. Actually I always root for the American League winner in the World Series, so I have rooted for the Sox.
I have never rooted for a team from New York.
I will almost always root for a public university over a private school, and never, ever, root for Duke, USC, Stanford, or Miami. I will occasionally root for Notre Dame but only if they are playing one of the aforementioned private institutions, or a Florida team in a bowl. I think of the-team-from-up-north as being in this category, although their Big Ten-ness trumps their other negative qualities when they play outside the conference.
Race plays a role -- especially in basketball. I don’t like all white or all black teams as much as integrated teams. Uniforms can tip the balance; as long as Phil Knight is dressing Oregon like circus clowns they will not have my support. Coaches can sway things too. Jim Calhoun at Connecticut is a negative example, Mike Singletary is a positive example, as I would otherwise never favor the 49ers.
Some teams I just hate. The Raiders, the Cowboys, the Dodgers, the Mets (although it is mostly their fans that I hate), the “U,” (in fact, pretty much any team from Florida except the Dolphins, and that’s only because of Paul Warfield).
Once there is no Midwestern team involved it can get complicated as some of these rules can conflict with some others. When there is no clear cut rule to apply, I root for underdogs – especially at home.
I have no idea if the above is the sign of a sick and overly idle mind or just my version of how sports fans think in general. Please enlighten me.
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Other than corrupted as a youth and being victim of an area caught up in our own front runner syndrome. The era of which you speak hold many sport memories for many from the 50's and 60's. We were competitive and even some cases dynasty's at all three levels of gridiron competition. I'm fairly convinced your philosophy would play very well at Uncle Nick's on any given day.Unfortunately, I don't remember Jim Brown in real time.My memories are painful. Red right 88, the drive, the fumble.the miracle at Richfield, Jim Chones broken foot and Jordan's shot.I remember that certain coach punching a player.I don't even want to remember Mesa's breakdown for the Tribe in 97.But Dennis, I do cherish our Grandfathers verbal critique of Matt Stevens and Ted Wingard doing radio for the beloved Harding Panthers on WHHH 1440.
Your reasons for liking a team are similar to mine. Two of my earliest memories are of my Dad grabbing my jacket to stop me from jumping out of the upper deck when the Redskins defeated the Unitas led Colts. Skins have since always been my favorite team. Then he and I trudging to the same stadium to watch the awful Senators lose again. From the year I was born until the Nats left DC, they had one winning season. I know bad baseball.
I was a big Bullets fan but now would rather have a colonoscopy that watch an NBA game.
I don't root for teams in the division in big games. If Skins aren't in it, and they seldom are, I would never want the rest of the NFC East to win.
Warren-O -- you'll have to enlighten me on Cotton's critique. i don't think i ever heard it.
KG -- i guess it's like they say, "you get to pick your friends but i have no choice about your relatives." same with your teams.
you bring up an interesting point. i think yours is a common view on the division, although i'm the other way -- i go with the my division's winner in the playoffs even tho it is never the Browns and is often the Stillers - a team most of my fellow Browns' fans would never pull for.
Having grown up in Baltimore, my allegiances have been calcified for decades. I can still rattle off the starting offense and defense of the 1958 Colts that won the "greatest game ever played". I can also name the starting 9 from the world series team that beat the Dodgers in '66. Now, I'm a man without a country as far as the NFL is concerned. I pull for the Skins but it's not the same. The Orioles are so bad as to be not worth watching - although I do. I can't help it.
I'm a U of MD fan in all circumstances but I define my allegiances by the teams that I hate - Dallas, all Florida teams (especially the Dophins), Duke, UNC, Michigan, ND, USC, UCLA and UCONN.
I completely agree about coaches. Calhoun is certainly worth despising. Nice post D. We could go on for hours about this and probably will.
I just hope DMJ weighs in. he'll make my thought process sound measured and rational.
Oops I forgot about Calhoun, can't stand him, but the worst was Dean Smith. Can't take credit for the following but it sums up my feelings. A few years ago Maryland beat the Heels by the biggest margin in umpteen years. When asked if it was satisfying, my friend replied that it was good but it would have been perfect if Dean had been on the bench and had keeled over from a heart attack as the final horn sounded. I would also put the "White Rat" of Duke in the Dean catagory. As a Boston College graduate said to me, I heard you bitch about the calls that Duke always gets and laughed at you. Then BC went to Durham and I almost went through the TV trying to strangle the refs and the rat.
Well DB you do seem to have plenty of time to think this stuff over. I follow many of your thoughts with afew detours.Here's some random stuff.
Football,Boxing & Hockey are the only real sports,all others are short pants,sissy stuff.
People raised outside of the Midwest have no clue concerning sports.
All Ohio high school & college football rules supreme. Then Big Ten. Texas, Florida & California do not exist.
Raider shmader. They are the Warren Harding BLACK Panthers.
Pittsburg owns pro football.
Turkey Jones never played in a Super Bowl.
Jim Brown is the greatest athlete of all time, any sport.
Art Moddell is burning in hell.
Ted Wingard,my uncle,once had me making a tackle while i was on the sidelines.
Back in the day the unanimous opinion among pro boxers was that Ernie Shavers, Southington,Ohio, was the hardest hitter they ever fought.
Ohio State will be national champs again. Woody Hayes says so.
Thank you G. for those objective and enlightened comments. You left out Boom Boom Mancini.
Gaga,I assume you midwesterners do what my cousin, in Tennessee, and his friends do for a game. Most are former college football players and when the Vols go on the road they ride in a RV and breakdown game film of the opponent. Nothing like a RV ride to Tuscaloosa and breaking down game film of the Tide. They leave on a Thursday and spend Friday in a RV park arguing over the merits of a screen pass against a wide tackle six. I would rather a pilgrimage to Mecca being dragged by a camel than make that trip, but they love their football.
I can not believe how much we think alike except I went to Penn State so the only time I root against OSU is when they are playing PSU.
No one hates the FL teams more than me. I have been to about a dozen Citrus Bowl games and the worst fans are from UF. During a Penn ST vs UF game we were sitting in the UF section. They were so horrible to us that at one point the guy sitting in front of me turned around and said "what ever you do, just don't hit him."
The nicest fans were from TN.
The exception is UCF. When I moved here they were in DII and I saw the most thrilling football game ever vs Troy State. I also went to the very first game in Daunte Culpepper's freshman year. WOW was he good!
if you make it to heavan JB, it will be for living amonst them floridians all these years.
KG -- gaga thinks a wide tackle six is a pre-game 6-pak drunk from those widemouth cans.
oh and I agree with gaga, sports in short pants other than TRUE boxing is uninteresting.
When I was about 14 years old I met Ernie Shavers.
Moreover, my Dad and I saw Boom Boom Mancini in his thrid title defence against Alex Aguarro in Mollencoff stadium.(sp)
Yes, the home of the Black Panthers.
Sly Stalonne walked right by me. He was a midget.
we're missing some important pov. where's Fenway? how does a juke-joint dancin' girl from the low country turn into the the twisted sister of the red sox nation?
dmj -- please explain your bicoastally disfigured allegences.
fisty? woody?
and what about hankster? while i suspect no teams goes with godlessness, you undoubtably have a Dawinian observation about the absudity of it all; don't disappoint me.
Wait, how is Jim Calhoun a negative example of how a coach can sway your support for a team? I'm extremely interested as a rabid UConn fan...
Stallone may be a midget but so was Joe Frazier. He might be all of 5'8" if he was lucky. I met him in 1979 as he was playing a pinball machine in the hotel. They have some classy hotels in Wilkes-Barre. His shoulders were just about as wide as he was tall. I met Ali a few years later and he was a big guy, at least 6'3" and large. I can't imagine that Frazier could hold his own with him and yet he beat him.
I saw Jim Brown in person an Ali was bigger than Brown.
Nik -- i just don't like him. he seems mean-spirited and unpleasant. that's just my superficial judgment; probably wrong but what can i say.
I also met Ali once. we were about the same height and weight, but when we shook hands, mine kind of disappeared inside this enormous flesh and muscle hammer. i felt like a 6-year-old.
My formula is simple. I pull for the teams where I have lived- Cleveland, Ohio State, UNC-CH, and Wake Forest. When those teams play I want them to win the game in the last few seconds, I do not enjoy blowouts. Unless money is on the line I always pull for the underdog (Ohio roots). To me nothing is more satisfying than the BIG upset. The above formula does not apply to Notre Dame, Michigan, Duke, or any team coached by Steve Spurrier. I am surprised to hear that kgwhit does not like Dean Smith. He has a few faults (he was a closet chain smoker) but overall his behavior was exemplary. His players still seek his opinion including the players who were bench players only. He never ever criticized a player in public. Contrast that with Duke's coach whose players rarely have a kind word to say about Coach K once they leave Durham.
There is only one thing that I give Deano credit for and that is getting Tom McMillian to Maryland. Dean was at Tom's home and Tom committed to UNC. Dean then took Tom into another room and asked him to call Tommy Burleson and tell him that he was going to UNC and he wanted Burleson to come along.
McMillian's Dad found out what was going on and kicked Dean out of the house because what he was doing was illegal.
Tom still wanted to go to UNC but his Dad would not sign for an athletic scholarship. Dean then offered the future Rhodes Scholar an academic free ride. His parents said fine, but they would never go down to Carolina to see him play if Dean was the coach.
He signed with Maryland and became an all american, for that I thank Dean.
Woody - For a U of MD grad of a certain vintage, the very image of Dean Smith and Carolina blue conjures up emotions that are equal parts rage, disgust and contempt. Think Michigan and you come close only this is more personal.
i don't care one way or the other about Dean, although he did try to wreck basketball with the 4-corner offence.
Spurrier is another matter. I'm hoping he becomes the Michigan coach once they give up on Jed Clappett.
DB, please never say that you "disappeared in his enormous flesh and muscle hammer" again.
Two true sports encounters. When I worked for Walmart in Philly Joe Fraizer tried to hit me up for a freebie for some office supplies. When I worked for the Holiday Inn in Youngstown Ernie Shavers bounced a check on me.
Widemouth cans? Mickey's
Oddest sports encounter -- Was at a Special Olympics fund raising event in NYC many years ago and met Manute Bol. He's every bit of 7'6" with a head the size of a tangerine. He looked like a giant praying mantis.
DB, based upon the responces, this could be your best posting ever.
There is nothing like sports to bring out the "crowmagnum" in all of us.
Anybody seen Austrailian Football lately? Those are some bad ass dudes.
After living in Chapel Hill (6 yrs) and North Carolina for 34 years I may be brainwashed about Dean Smith. He is a NC icon and rarely criticized. He is progressive politically, attends antiwar rallies, supports Democratic candidates, and generally champions the underdog. He hated recruiting and would never guarantee a recruit that he would play, only that he would be on the team. He discouraged individual attention and focused on team achievements. He was very organized, practices were choreographed to the minute and taped for later review. Upperclassmen, no matter how little they played, were given special privileges. Freshman, even Michael Jordan, had to carry the equipment bags. I have always felt that I would want him to coach my son if he was a talented BB player.
Of course he is a deity in Chapel Thrill and I am sure he is a prince of a fellow. He still got away with so much because he was "Dean" and he was quite a manipulator. He held up the ACC championship final for over ten minutes after protesting a call and then not putting another player into the game. It was at the Capital Centre and the entire place, with the exception of the ones wearing baby blue, were booing. It worked though, by the time he finally put someone in the game, the momentum had shifted and he won the game. It was evil genius. He'd walk away from the ref and go talk with a player; you'd think he was going to put the player in. Then just when the ref would become impatient, he'd turn and walk back to the ref and argue. It was like Kabuki Theater. Never believe that he would not do whatever it took to win including cheating at recruiting. There are plenty of non-UNC ACC fans who do not view him as St. Dean from Kansas.
This is a good topic. Keeping it light during the down.
Look how far we'v come along. In the day we could'nt refer to someone as a monkey. But now,praying mantis is cool.Who said turkey?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_BuDursFIg&feature=related
Well, no reason we can't keep this string going on forever, and i'll try to come up with another sports post soon -- but for now, back to reality with a new econ/pol post today.
I think that Dean Smith is responsible for the collapse on Wall Street, but in an effort to be magnanimous, it isn't all his fault.
kgwhit, you will be banned from NC for life!
I wish the honor of being banned from the tar heel state for life had come forty years ago. Then I would not have been stationed at Camp Lejuene where I spent the coldest night of my life with my fire team defending our position. The Corps, in all its wisdom, finally secured the war games and marched us some ten miles back to barracks in a snow storm with about 6-8 inches already on the ground. Marching through the fields at night in a snow storm carrying 40 lbs of equipment and a rifle, when you can't feel your feet, is enough to make any sane individual never want to return to NC. Although it was very realistic training for the jungles of Vietnam.
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