Wednesday, January 27, 2010

State of the Union Comments?

Feel free to vent here during or after the speech.

109 comments:

d'blank said...

The baseline has been set down: Americans are resilient, the banks are bad, we inherited the problem, we have cut your taxes, we going to have a jobs bill and we'll make the banks pay for it.

d'blank said...

I thought the speech was very good -- one of his best -- but then again we know he can make a speech. the question is can he effect the change he promises us.

There was nothing I really didn't like, although I wish someone would tell Pelosi and Biden that their constant mugging in awed agreement with Obamaba's every utterance is both annoying and distracting.

Who knows about the policies? I don't, although I liked the promise to bring back "pay as you go."

What I liked most was that he went right at a lot of players in the way. The bankers of course, but he didn't shy away from reminding us of the sins of the last admin, he took several shots at his own party, and my favorite was when he told the Supremes they were wrong while they were sitting right up front like the College of Cardinals.

He had a great line to the effect that, "if you (GOP) are going to block everything because you can, then you must bear the responsibility for finding solutions."

Finally, I was really worried that he was going to try to change himself into some kind of neo-con, but he stuck to some basic liberal planks; re-pushing health care, cap-and-trade and even the end of "don't ask - don't tell."

So what happens now?

Unknown said...

I just caught the tail end. In it, he took the high road, not giving much for the opposition to pounce on.

Who can fault him for admitting mistakes and trying to finesse bipartisan support for legislation? Not that the loyal opposition will settle for anything less than victory.

As expected, the Republican response was scripted with the smattering of minority faces in the background smiling and nodding.

I would have preferred had the Pres taken a flyswatter and beaten Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman mercilessly. But I had to settle for the sour faces of the generals when he vowed to give equal rights to gays in the military and the dig at far right talk radio.

Life isn't fair, but it beats all other options.

Lou said...

I thought he did a great job, especially acting like a leader and taking responsibility for some of the mistakes he, and his party, have made. He got to the heart of what this country needs right in the beginning and let health care take its rightful place in the middle. It won't stop being a focus, it is now just going to get an equal push.

He was self deprecating at times and showed some humor, even though some of the Republicans didn't think he was funny.

I am happy for the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" and his courage in taking on the Supreme body as they looked right at him. That could not have been easy and I respect the risk he took for "what is right".

I am not sure how he plans to accomplish all of this but the intention is good and as he said, he can't do it alone. I loved that he exposed the stonewalling as trying to protect a political seat. It is time to make decisions that make sense regardless of how you might look to your constituency.

He is a genius at triangulation. He said things that required the right and left to stand and applaud or look like idiots (like bringing back clean nuclear power, off shore drilling, education support and supporting our military).

And finally, not sure if you saw the Republican Response, but it was apparent that the VA governor did not see the speech. It was almost as if he stood up for a rebuttal but parroted exactly what the President had just said. What a waste of prime time.

Kaz said...

All good comments above. I agree with just about everything said. What a relief that in these bleak times the guy has a sense of humor. That really bolstered my spirits. I'm still glad and relieved he's our Prez. Of course though I'm a partisan. What he needs to do is win back the middle. I'm leery that can be done in a middle that appears to be center right.

When you take the tour at Gettysburg, they show you where the Rebs charged across the field and how a few made it up the hill to that little stone wall before being pushed back. The guide then says, "This is the high water mark of the Confederacy." I wonder if November '08 wasn't the high water mark of the progressive movement in my lifetime.

Kaz said...

I'd sure like to be the fly on the wall when the President goes to that Republican retreat. That would be something to see.

Woody said...

I think he did about as well as he could under difficult circumstances. I think the camera angle should be changed so we do not have to see Pelosi and that other guy (who was he?) behind the President. Unfortunately we are heading into a new election cycle and this will impact on his agenda. Focus on the economy, jobs and ending the wars. If we are successful with those issues we can tackle the other problems more easily.

BB said...

Agree with the comments above. He's between a rock and a hard place just like the rest of us. He took on the Supremes, Republicans, Democrats, and the banks. He challenged partisanship over and over, and I think that is at the heart of what the country is pissed off about. The majority of us (60 - 80%) basically agree in principle about jobs, education, sustainable energy, immigration, national security, health care, etc. His line about the constant campaigning that is a way of life in DC politics hit the nail on the head. I so much want him to succeed, because the alternative really sucks.

jb said...

When he says that his admin inherited problems which admin was he talking about? Clinton's who instructed banks to loan money to people who had no business of getting loans?

If you voted for BO, you probably thought his speech writers did a good job.

Me? I think he is the biggest narcissist since a guy from Germany.

Birdman said...

I was at the Washington Capitals hockey game (5-1 win over the Anaheim Ducks) during the speech but from what I've seen and heard he did a very good job. Going after the senate was a good move. Also reminding the GOP of their responsibilities as the "loyal" opposition. Alito had a amazing breech of protocol by responding the presidents well deserved criticism. First time I've ever seen that in a SOTU speech.

The republicans looked liked they were chained to their chairs while they were forced to hold a turd under their nose. At some point the "Audacity of Nope" is going to be a losing hand. I just hope it's sooner rather than later.

As far as the last administration's irresponsible spending, how about an unfunded drug benefit for seniors, unfunded disaster in Iraq, trillion dollar tax cut for the wealthy. Remember we had a huge surplus when Bush came into office and he managed to squander it and add trillions to the national debt.

d'blank said...

The perpetual campaign is an incredible roadblock to progress, but right there with it is the structure of the government. It is rediculous that even with a huge majority one party can not enact legeslation. (Conversely, one out of power party can block anything.)

Contrast that with the Supreme Court where a 5-4 vote just overturned 100+ years of president.

kgwhit said...

I am always taken with the GOP's arguement that the housing bubble excess lies at the feet of the Democrats.
Do the share some of the blame, without a doubt. The real fault was with the banks and the mortgage folks. An Asian woman, who was employed doing nails in a shopping mall, had 3 different properties.
The broker winked and nodded at her finances and said she qualified. Then the bank that gave her the loan, which they may have suspected she really didn't qualify for, bundled it and moved it on down the line.
The broker got his commission the bank got the money and everyone one had some dollars in their pocket. None of them were going to be out a damn thing if the houses did not appreciate and couldn't be flipped.
It is like a gun dealer, I sold the gun but I didn't pull the trigger. The broker gave the person a loan, it wasn't his fault of the person was not capable of paying it off.

Gaga said...

Last night BO either showed he had a pair or he is taking Blah.blah,blah to new heights. The speech restored alittle faith in me for him. I hope he's sincere.
While BO was walking in the room Fox News had a split screen with Sarah Palin doing the talking head thing. She should stick to posing for Vogue. Only BO reads the teleprompter more than she does.
I hope this is the last"the American People are doing their job & havnt given up" speech.
BO told the Joint Chiefs to get with the gay thing.But also let them know he would'nt mess with their funding.Until someone cuts off the war machine all social programs will take second place & the National Debt will increase.
On health care I was hoping for something like "why are we having so much trouble giving the American People what we'v already got."
In other news,Hilary listened to the speech, then today announced that she's not interested in a second term as Sec. of State. So begins her next campaign.

kgwhit said...

The speech had nothing to do with Hillary's announcement. At a playoff party with some reporters on Sunday, it was said that she had leaked she wasn't going to serve another term. The reasons given by the reporters; she misses Bill, she has enough frequent flyer miles, she is going to head the Palin for President committee, and the most likely, she'll be the new offensive line coach of the Redskins.
As usual these guys may have known what was going to happen but did not have a clue why.

The Other DBlank said...

Wow. After reading all these comments, I must have been watching a different speach. The President ususally delivers one heck of a speech, but last night he seemed glib, distracted and anger.

I guess it could be considered a good speach if you are fond of the word I and Me. He used the word "I" 96 times.

On some of the content, he of course blamed the policies of the last 8 years for the mess we are now in. However his current top 3 financial guys are Bush carry-overs. He also voted for every spending bill put forward while he was in the Senate.

He's against lobbyists, but he has nearly a dozen working for him now.

He's against earmarks, but he pushed through and signed the $800B Omnibus bill that had nearly 9000 earmarks.

He's saved 2M jobs but the $800B Stimulus bill, that we had to have right now and were told unemployment wouldn't go above 8% and we have 10%.

He wants to freeze spending (next year) to save $15B. That's after protecting the two aboved bills and the massive increases to several department budgets.

They are freezing White House salaries, after they just received a nice healthy pay increase while the rest of America struggles.

He wants transparency in government while the Dems worked behind closed doors to hammer out a compromise health care bill between the house and senate versions.

He wants both sides to stop campaigning and work together. REALLY? He hasn't stopped campaining since he took office.

He doesn't want to loose to China and India and the we need to invest (code word for government speading) as they have.

As I told Dennis last week. Don't judge him on what he says, judge him on what he does.

fenway said...

Briefly, I feel somewhat better. He was conversational, relaxed and made me feel he was speaking to me - and that he cared about me again. Loved the one ad lib. But boy those right-wingers (not the VA Guv response but the later and today commentators) are brilliant at offense and in turning every single thing around and to their advantage. Finally, how about Alito's Joe Wilson moment"that's not true". Isn't it verboten for the Supremes to show emotion?

d'blank said...

to the other d'b, if you're reading these comments you should know that most of us who voted for BO are less than thrilled with the results so far. Perhaps the reasons we're sticking with him and hoping for improvement include:
- he didn't start two wars he couldn't win and wouldn't pay for
- he didn't coddle Wall St and permit a financial crisis that nearly started Great Depression II
- he didn't more than double the national debt while giving tax cuts to the rich and pandering to old people with a drug bill our children will have to pay for
If you want more I'm sure everyone else will be happy to chip in with other examples. But these few things alone are enough to keep us from turning to Sarah Palin to save us.

Unknown said...

He didn't parse the term torture to the point where some of us feel ashamed for our country.

He didn't clean house in the State Department, weeding out those who were not partisan ideologues.

He didn't bring private contractors in to play active military roles.

He didn't run on a pro-environment platform then turn aggressively 180 degrees in the opposite direction once in office.

Birdman said...

He didn't politicize the justice department by getting rid of U.S. attorneys for not going after democrats in an attempt to create a "permanent republican majority".

He didn't fumble the catastrophe in the aftermath of Katrina by appointing political hacks to run FEMA -- the first line of defense against natural disaster.

Obama has certainly a lot of work to do and mistakes to correct. However, I can't imagine what kind of shape we'd be in if McCain/Palin had won.

Gaga said...

Imagine McCain having a heart attack after finding out that he won the election. Then give thanks.

fenway said...

Good one Gaga!

warrenout said...

So, none of you thought you were being preached to? Casting about badmouth as if he were a Church of God in Christ senior pastor. Ohio is going to waste 8 billion on a high speed rail service. I can hardley wait to see all the buckeye fans traveling via train in Dayton, Cleveland ,Toledo and Cincy to Columbus enjoying all the jobs and spinoff this system will generate.If big goverment works than how the hell has America elected Republicans since the glory days of FDR.Republicans should not exist. Cut payroll taxes/incentives to companies that expand and cut spending. Sarah Palin will barely sniff the 2012 campaign trail. Obama adding to the sense of entitlement is crap.

Unknown said...

"If big goverment works than how the hell has America elected Republicans since the glory days of FDR.Republicans should not exist. "

Did you know that the majority of Americans believe in angels and heaven? I don't think the numbers are as high among those with spinal cord injuries.

How about the vast number of Americans who don't believe in evolution, yet they get into airplanes and fly. The science underlying both is a continuum.

That said, "political science" is not part of that continuum.

If people were rational why should I see people walking outside not be wearing gloves. It's 13 degrees F.

Have you considered that your strong position on one side of the issue of leadership might be in part be due to manipulation?

If you care to know what I believe: most people wouldn't eat a hamburger if they just watched the whole process of its origin.

Birdman said...

I watched pretty much the entire Obama vs. House Republicans dust-up on Friday. It was truly an amazing thing to see. Clearly Republicans are not used to having someone tell them to their faces that their ideas don't pass common sense muster and that many of their clever talking points are outright lies.

Catch it if you can. It's very illuminating.

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